{"id":114985,"date":"2015-11-16T18:36:04","date_gmt":"2015-11-16T17:36:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/?p=114985"},"modified":"2015-11-20T13:40:07","modified_gmt":"2015-11-20T12:40:07","slug":"test-shimano-xt-2015-1x11-drivetrain","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/en\/test-shimano-xt-2015-1x11-drivetrain\/","title":{"rendered":"[Tested] Shimano XT 2015, 1&#215;11 Drivetrain"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[ad3]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/IMG_4322.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-114964 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/IMG_4322-750x563.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_4322\" width=\"750\" height=\"563\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/IMG_4322-750x563.jpg 750w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/IMG_4322-1467x1100.jpg 1467w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In the last two and half months we have been riding a Santacruz 5010 full Shimano XT spec&#8217;d: drivetrain, brakes and wheels are all from the 2015 new groupset. While later this week we&#8217;ll review the brakes and the wheels, for now we&#8217;ll focus on the drivetrain.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6610.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-114920\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6610.jpg\" alt=\"F75R6610\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6610.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6610-750x500.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We chose the 1&#215;11 option, because in the last three years the reviewer has been riding mostly on 1x drivetrains, so the comparison was easier to approach.<\/p>\n<h3>Cassette<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6615.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-114923\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6615.jpg\" alt=\"F75R6615\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6615.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6615-750x500.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The eleven speed XT cassette is available in these two configurations:<br \/>\n11-13-15-17-19-21-24-27-31-35-40.<br \/>\n11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-37-42.\u00a0This is the one we reviewed.<\/p>\n<p>It can be mounted on a common Shimano drivetrain, because the smallest cog is a 11T. All the cogs are in steel, except the 40 and 42, aluminum.<\/p>\n<h3>Rear Derailleur<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6614.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-114922\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6614.jpg\" alt=\"F75R6614\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6614.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6614-750x500.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a Shadow RD+, that means its shape and angle are aimed to protect it against impacts with rocks. In the photo you can clearly notice the so called &#8220;chain stabilizer&#8221;, activated by the grey lever when it&#8217;s in the ON position.<\/p>\n<h3>Chain<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6613.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-114921\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6613.jpg\" alt=\"F75R6613\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6613.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6613-750x500.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>HG-X11, specifically designed for 11 speed drivetrains.<\/p>\n<h2>Crankset<\/h2>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-114928\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6636.jpg\" alt=\"F75R6636\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6636.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6636-750x500.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>HOLLOWTECH II 1&#215;11, alloy, the cranks are 175mm long.\u00a0You can&#8217;t see the Shimano XT logo because it has been rubbed away by the shoe friction during the testing. <a href=\"http:\/\/bike.shimano.com\/content\/sac-bike\/en\/home\/components11\/mountain\/deore-xt-m8000.html\" target=\"_blank\">This is how it looked originally<\/a>. Well, this happened to all the Shimano cranks in the past years, including XTR, so it was no surprise.<\/p>\n<p>The chainring has 32T (available in 34T and 30T also), the teeth have all the same identical shape. No narrow-wide design. The crankset and the spider can be used with a different combination of chainrings: 1&#215;11, 2&#215;11 and 3&#215;11. The chainline is 50.4mm.<\/p>\n<h2>Shift Lever<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6625.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-114927\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6625.jpg\" alt=\"F75R6625\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6625.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6625-750x500.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Rapidfire \u00a0Plus I-specII, 2-way release. This means that the front lever can be pressed\u00a0using thumb or index. You can see the new bar clamp, thinner and easy to match to the brakes.<\/p>\n<h2>On The Trails<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/IMG_43131.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-114963 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/IMG_43131-750x563.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_4313\" width=\"750\" height=\"563\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/IMG_43131-750x563.jpg 750w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/IMG_43131-1467x1100.jpg 1467w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Shimano&#8217;s XT drivetrain has a history of reliability and great quality for the money due to the fact that the Japanese brand brings its XTR top technology slowly &#8220;down&#8221; to the cheaper lines like the XT and the SLX. \u00a0The systems work the same way and the differences are mostly in aesthetics and weight, i.e. the materials used. For this reason I didn&#8217;t expect a big discrepancy to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/en\/tested-shimano-xtr-2015-1x11\/\">XTR drivetrain I tested some months ago<\/a>.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The shifting is fast and precise, even in muddy conditions. The 2-way release lever is a pretty cool feature especially when the rider is busy hanging tight to the bar.<\/li>\n<li>When the rear derailleur clutch is ON, the chain is stable and doesn&#8217;t fall off\u00a0&#8211; chain loss did not occur\u00a0once during the testing time. At the same time Shimano solved the problem of the shifting becoming quite hard with the friction activated. Now it remains smooth and\u00a0effortless.<\/li>\n<li>Speaking\u00a0of the chainring, the big teeth give a good support to the chain, combined with the clutch. If XT is a sort of &#8220;recreational&#8221; groupset, it&#8217;s missing the 28T chainring option, often required by riders on 29ers.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6643.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-114930\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6643.jpg\" alt=\"F75R6643\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6643.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6643-750x500.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The cassette is made by 7 separate parts, all made of steel except the 42 cog, in alloy. The 42 tooth showed first heavy signs of usage already after the second week of testing: nothing changed in the shifting. \u00a0That remained precise and fast as usual, but I noticed that pedaling backwards, when the chain is on the 42 cog, this falls down to the smaller cogs.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6619.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-114924\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6619.jpg\" alt=\"F75R6619\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6619.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/F75R6619-750x500.jpg 750w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This comes from two factors:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>the 50.4 chainline. Shimano is aware of the problem, so I went to their headquarters and we decided to put some spacers between the spider and the chainring, but the problem persisted. SRAM&#8217;s XX1 chainline is 49mm, to compare it to the other 1&#215;11 system on the market.<\/li>\n<li>The alloy used for the 42T cog is too soft and deteriorates too quickly.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Let&#8217;s be clear: for the chain to fall off it needs a nearly 360\u00b0 back spin that, in practice, never happens. When pedalling backwards in front of a big step, in order to put the pedal in the &#8220;full power&#8221; position, we tend to pedal backward about 90\u00b0 maximum. Even if a rider has the tendency to pedal backwards on boring paved descents, he\/she will rarely be in the \u00a0lightest gear.<\/p>\n<p>It may indeed happen that, pushing the bike, one pedal touches the leg, letting the drivetrain spin backwards. When the rider jumps back on the bike, the chain will be off the 42T. This is not a major issue on a trail ride with friends, but if you are racing it can be quite annoying.<\/p>\n<p>So we asked ourselves how it can happen that Shimano chose a &#8220;wrong&#8221; chainline for its 1&#215;11 drivetrain, and we found the answer in the easy interchangeability between 1&#215;11, 2&#215;11 and 3&#215;11, keeping crankset and spider the same. Infact 50.4mm is the chainline of a 3x drivetrain, when the chain is in the middle chainring. The chainline Shimano has been using for ages for its 3x products.<\/p>\n<p>On paper a 1&#215;11 drivetrain looks easy to design and project, but in reality it has a lot of differences compared to the common 2x and 3x starting with the spider, the chainline and the available gears. I haven&#8217;t brought up\u00a0the smallest cog available on the Shimano XT: this is a 11T, that brings the advantage to keep using the classic driver bodies people already have on their wheels. At a first glance it sounds like a good idea, until you are start searching for more speed when pedalling. Bottom line, the Shimano single chainring drivetrain has a smaller gear spectrum than SRAM&#8217;s XX1 family.<\/p>\n<p>If you think Shimano has been sleeping during the last years, you are making a mistake: their real &#8220;single&#8221; chainring drivetrain is the Di2, that manages electronically, and with one single shift lever, 22 gears. This is where the Japanese brand invested &#8211; and continues to invest &#8211; most of their time and resources right now and soon we can expect an XT Di2 at a lower price than the XTR one.<\/p>\n<h2>Conclusions<\/h2>\n<p>Shimano&#8217;s new XT drivetrain is fast, precise and durable, as everybody expected. The rear derailleur&#8217;s clutch\/chain-tensioning system works great and the chain hasn&#8217;t fall off the chainring once during the whole testing process, keeping the shifting smoother than in the past.<\/p>\n<p>The 1&#215;11 set up has a chainline problem that let the chain fall off the 42T cog if pedalling backwards. This problem gets bigger with the time, because the alloy used on the 42T is quite soft and the teeth deteriorate quickly. Shimano is aware of the problem, stay tuned for their future steps to solve it!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.awin1.com\/cread.php?awinmid=5623&#038;awinaffid=228633&#038;clickref=&#038;p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chainreactioncycles.com%2Fch%2Fen%2Fshimano-xt-m8000-1x11-speed-groupset-builder%2Frp-prod136651\" onmouseover=\"self.status='http:\/\/www.chainreactioncycles.com\/ch\/en\/shimano-xt-m8000-1x11-speed-groupset-builder\/rp-prod136651'; return true;\" onmouseout=\"self.status=''; return true;\" target=\"_top\">Buy on CRC for 394.94 US$<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-115234\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mtb-mag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/Bildschirmfoto-2015-11-19-um-15.42.06.png\" alt=\"Bildschirmfoto 2015-11-19 um 15.42.06\" width=\"447\" height=\"178\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/bike.shimano.com\/content\/sac-bike\/en\/home\/components11\/mountain\/deore-xt-m8000.html\" target=\"_blank\">Shimano XT<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[ad12]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ad3] In the last two and half months we have been riding a Santacruz 5010 full Shimano XT spec&#8217;d: drivetrain, brakes and wheels are all from the 2015 new groupset. 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