Creare effetto 3d su mappa OSM

rostnt

Biker novus
1/4/13
35
0
48
Meldola
Uso da sempre OpenStreetMap per il mio navigatore e sono fantastiche, anche perchè mi danno la possibilità di aggiungere eventuali strade o sentieri mancanti.
Adesso mi piacerebbe dare un aspetto 3d alla mappa come in OpenCycleMap, per fare questo avevo pensato di fare una mappa JNX e fino a qui ho tutti i SW e le idee chiare.
Quello che non riesco a trovare è un software che usi le DTM o le Curve di Livello per fare delle immagini ... il massimo sarebbe avere anche l'ombreggiatura tipo mappe TackMap della Garmin. Qualcuno mi riesce a dare qualche suggerimento? Grazie
 

 

ataro

Biker celestialis
16/4/09
7.777
8
Marche
Uso da sempre OpenStreetMap per il mio navigatore e sono fantastiche, anche perchè mi danno la possibilità di aggiungere eventuali strade o sentieri mancanti.
Adesso mi piacerebbe dare un aspetto 3d alla mappa come in OpenCycleMap, per fare questo avevo pensato di fare una mappa JNX e fino a qui ho tutti i SW e le idee chiare.
Quello che non riesco a trovare è un software che usi le DTM o le Curve di Livello per fare delle immagini ... il massimo sarebbe avere anche l'ombreggiatura tipo mappe TackMap della Garmin. Qualcuno mi riesce a dare qualche suggerimento? Grazie
http://www.mtb-forum.it/community/forum/showpost.php?p=6736979&postcount=215
Se ne è parlato ampiamente qui.
Basta che ti scarichi la mappa dtm che usa scratera (la trovi nei suoi DL) la apri e ne installi gli img insieme a quelli della omtb, ma deve essere fatto a mano .... gmaptool, cgpsmapper e mapsettoolkit .....
Ne ha parlato lui, ma non ritrovo i suoi post, ma sono qui. (comunque tutto ha senso sul pc, non sul gps, che le ombre già ci sono se uno le vuole)
 

scratera

Biker spectacularis
30/6/07
24.649
1.511
rovereto TN
Bike
...solo full...rigide...
Uso da sempre OpenStreetMap per il mio navigatore e sono fantastiche, anche perchè mi danno la possibilità di aggiungere eventuali strade o sentieri mancanti.
Adesso mi piacerebbe dare un aspetto 3d alla mappa come in OpenCycleMap, per fare questo avevo pensato di fare una mappa JNX e fino a qui ho tutti i SW e le idee chiare.
Quello che non riesco a trovare è un software che usi le DTM o le Curve di Livello per fare delle immagini ... il massimo sarebbe avere anche l'ombreggiatura tipo mappe TackMap della Garmin. Qualcuno mi riesce a dare qualche suggerimento? Grazie
...forse però sei un po' fuori strada o per lo meno io magari non ho capito che vuoi ottenere
...eccomi qua [MENTION=41438]ataro[/MENTION]
...era qua Garmin BaseCamp

...esatto le mappe garmin possiedono i dem
...a parte il fatto che la visione simil 3D nei garmin a mio giudizio peggiora e non di poco la visione della mappa ed è inutile ...qualsiasi mappa se attivata assieme alla mappa base presente nei garmin ha questa funzione...:il-saggi:
...e in basecamp che il tutto diviene più simpatico...però devi eseguire l'installazione nel caso delle mappe openmtbmap assieme ai dati dem e lo devi fare a manina te usando MapSetToolKit e allora ottieni questo

...posso darti ragione sul tempo di avvio una volta lanciato il programma...ma spettare un paio di secondi non mi sembra eccessivo
...il poter visualizzare però così una mappa cartacea spalmata sopra a una mappa creata dal sottoscritto usando i dati osm e integrando i dati dem per me non ha prezzo



...poter organizzare una libreria direttamente in basecamp di tutto quello che mi interessa anche non ha prezzo
...poter scegliere tra 13 atività e poterne creare di nuove e attivarle subito dalla riga di comando e alcune poterle anche configurare a mio piacere invece delle sole 8 di mapsource da andare a cercare in file > opzioni....
...gestire i waypoiint con unsemplice doppio click per aprire la finestra di dialogo e inserire anche allarmi di prossimità...alla stessa maniera di mapsource che però non inserisce allarmi di prossimità
...ricerca di indirizzi anche basecamp lo ha solo su mappe dedicate naturalmente oltre a poter ricercare molte cosucce in più a partire dalle avventure per arrivare alle geocache e ai dati utenti salvati nelle librerie
...naturalmente se vuoi mapsource lo puoi sempre reinstallare
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...se ti manca così tanto....o-o...
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rostnt

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In realtà io non volevo compilare le OSM, ma usare lo standard di OpenMtbMap ed inserire una mappa trasparente. Nella mappa vorrei la colorazione in base alle curve di livello o le DTM/DEM.
Un programmino che fa questo è 3DEM, ma non riesco a creare un immagine georeferenziata decente per fare una mappa.

Le mappe 3D sono belle da vedere ma come ha detto qualcuno servono solo su Basecamp perchè sul GPS non sono il massimo della leggibilità, per questo vorrei separare le openmtbmap dalla mappa 2D con gli effetti 3D ( una visualizzazione simile alle carte escursionistiche).
Questa è un immagine creata con 3dem di una parte dell'emiliaromagna.


Ringrazio Scratera e ataro per le indicazioni e sicuramente proverò a compilare le OSM con lo script e magari poi inizio a vedere se ci capisco qualcosa per crearne uno mio, nel frattempo mi aspetta una lunga lettura.
 

scratera

Biker spectacularis
30/6/07
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Bike
...solo full...rigide...
In realtà io non volevo compilare le OSM, ma usare lo standard di OpenMtbMap ed inserire una mappa trasparente. Nella mappa vorrei la colorazione in base alle curve di livello o le DTM/DEM.
Un programmino che fa questo è 3DEM, ma non riesco a creare un immagine georeferenziata decente per fare una mappa.

Le mappe 3D sono belle da vedere ma come ha detto qualcuno servono solo su Basecamp perchè sul GPS non sono il massimo della leggibilità, per questo vorrei separare le openmtbmap dalla mappa 2D con gli effetti 3D ( una visualizzazione simile alle carte escursionistiche).
Questa è un immagine creata con 3dem di una parte dell'emiliaromagna.


Ringrazio Scratera e ataro per le indicazioni e sicuramente proverò a compilare le OSM con lo script e magari poi inizio a vedere se ci capisco qualcosa per crearne uno mio, nel frattempo mi aspetta una lunga lettura.


scusa sai ma il compilarsi la mappa non centra niente con questa immagine



...questo lo puoi ottenere anche usando le openmtbmap ma le devi importare a mano all'interno di basecamp e non consiglio poi di caricarle sul garmin non me ne assumo la responsabilità...:smile::smile:...oltretutto puoi caricare le due mappe separatamente su basecamp e visualizzare o una o l'altra a tua scelta...poi se vuoi ottenere una cosa del genere

sul garmin ma deve essere uno dei nuovi modelli ...questa immagine è appunto fatta usando le openmtbmap...non devi far altro che attivare la mappa base precaricata che contiene per l'appunto i dem e attivare quella bruttissima cosa che è l'ombreggiatura della mappa....o-o...
 

rostnt

Biker novus
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scusa sai ma il compilarsi la mappa non centra niente con questa immagine
Scusa Scratera ma ho specificato all'inizio del post
In realtà io non volevo compilare le OSM
e su Basecamp, se non sbaglio, non si riesce a visualizzare contemporaneamente OpenMtbMap e TrackMap ed è per questo motivo che volevo creare una mappa JNX con la colorazione in base alle curve di livello e se possibile anche l'ombreggiatura. Non riesco a esprimere bene quello che sto cercando di fare e forse parlare di 3D è sbagliato. Io vorrei creare uno sfondo alla mappa OpenMtbMap per renderla il più possibile simile alle mappe cartacee.
 

scratera

Biker spectacularis
30/6/07
24.649
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rovereto TN
Bike
...solo full...rigide...
Scusa Scratera ma ho specificato all'inizio del post e su Basecamp, se non sbaglio, non si riesce a visualizzare contemporaneamente OpenMtbMap e TrackMap ed è per questo motivo che volevo creare una mappa JNX con la colorazione in base alle curve di livello e se possibile anche l'ombreggiatura. Non riesco a esprimere bene quello che sto cercando di fare e forse parlare di 3D è sbagliato. Io vorrei creare uno sfondo alla mappa OpenMtbMap per renderla il più possibile simile alle mappe cartacee.
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...ed ora alla mappa openmrbmap non facciamo altro che ricaricarla usando assieme dei dati dem e nella visione 2d otterremmo una cosa ombreggiata come suppongo tu voglia



...ma il tutto diviene più interessante se passiamo alla visione 3d della mappa di openmtbmap come vedi ora



...e se ancora andiamo a forzare la visione della stessa con una inclinazione diversa



..e qua sia @stefano6413 che @skipper51 schiatteranno di invidia vedendo una mappa openmtbmap tramutata in mappa con i dem dai quali possiamo ricavare tutte le info che vogliamo riguardo l'altezza del singolo punto mappa e usando dei dati dem che fanno le scarpe ai dati dem contenuti nella famosa mappa gmapbmap.img contenuta nei garmin e che torna utile nel caso si caricassero sul garmin delle tracce senza dati altimetrici...:smile::smile::smile:

...ma se tu vuoi proprio vedere una mappa simile in tutto e per tutto alla OpenCycleMap allora devi usare mobile atlas creator che ti crea le mappe o kmz o jnx da inserire e contunuare a craerle in basecamp...ma se proprio vuoi invece vedere le OpenCycleMap aggiornate direttamente e sovrapposte alle openmtbmap allora usa qlandkarte e avrai una cosa simile



...ma se vuoi avere delle mappe il più possibile simili a delle mappe cartacee allora o usi le mappe scansionate...georeferenziate e importate poi in basecamp...o ti armi di santa pazienza e te le crei usando quindi i colori che vuoi tu...ma ricordati che in questo caso vai a coprire le open e visulalizzerai solo le linee presenti nella mappa...nascondendo tutti i punti e i poligoni contenuti nelle stesse...
 

skipper51

Biker superis
5/5/12
405
5
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Nuoro
Si, è vero @scratera su basecamp non ho le openmtb con i dem....mi devo accontentare delle mappe che visualizzo su compegps, visto che la versione 7.5.3 ha i dem incorporati...
Però, a ben pensarci, visto che ho già usato con successo gmaptool, cgpsmapper e mapsettoolkit per altri scopi...se riesco a scaricarmi il DEM che hai postato tu (sarebbero gli Europe Dem pubblici....è così?) ci provo.
 

scratera

Biker spectacularis
30/6/07
24.649
1.511
rovereto TN
Bike
...solo full...rigide...
Si, è vero @scratera su basecamp non ho le openmtb con i dem....mi devo accontentare delle mappe che visualizzo su compegps, visto che la versione 7.5.3 ha i dem incorporati...
Però, a ben pensarci, visto che ho già usato con successo gmaptool, cgpsmapper e mapsettoolkit per altri scopi...se riesco a scaricarmi il DEM che hai postato tu (sarebbero gli Europe Dem pubblici....è così?) ci provo.
...si ma proprio pubblici non sono essendo una mappa garmin estrapolata dalla serie nuvi...
 

rostnt

Biker novus
1/4/13
35
0
48
Meldola
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...ed ora alla mappa openmrbmap non facciamo altro che ricaricarla usando assieme dei dati dem e nella visione 2d otterremmo una cosa ombreggiata come suppongo tu voglia



...ma il tutto diviene più interessante se passiamo alla visione 3d della mappa di openmtbmap come vedi ora



...e se ancora andiamo a forzare la visione della stessa con una inclinazione diversa



..e qua sia @stefano6413 che @skipper51 schiatteranno di invidia vedendo una mappa openmtbmap tramutata in mappa con i dem dai quali possiamo ricavare tutte le info che vogliamo riguardo l'altezza del singolo punto mappa e usando dei dati dem che fanno le scarpe ai dati dem contenuti nella famosa mappa gmapbmap.img contenuta nei garmin e che torna utile nel caso si caricassero sul garmin delle tracce senza dati altimetrici...:smile::smile::smile:

...ma se tu vuoi proprio vedere una mappa simile in tutto e per tutto alla OpenCycleMap allora devi usare mobile atlas creator che ti crea le mappe o kmz o jnx da inserire e contunuare a craerle in basecamp...ma se proprio vuoi invece vedere le OpenCycleMap aggiornate direttamente e sovrapposte alle openmtbmap allora usa qlandkarte e avrai una cosa simile



...ma se vuoi avere delle mappe il più possibile simili a delle mappe cartacee allora o usi le mappe scansionate...georeferenziate e importate poi in basecamp...o ti armi di santa pazienza e te le crei usando quindi i colori che vuoi tu...ma ricordati che in questo caso vai a coprire le open e visulalizzerai solo le linee presenti nella mappa...nascondendo tutti i punti e i poligoni contenuti nelle stesse...
Beh vedendo questo post ... direi che sono io a non capire :omertà: .... questo è molto più di quello che chiedevo!!
Ora il grosso problema è che da quello che ho capito, non è una cosa facile da fare, quindi da dove posso iniziare?

Grazie Scratera per l'infinita pazienza
 

skipper51

Biker superis
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...purtroppo si sono troppo pesanti in confronto al resto...e non saprei dove caricarle....:fantasm:
mi dice che ho già un account microsoft, ma non mi ricordo la password...e per ora non funziona il servizio di resettaggio password...mi dicono di attendere un pò....comunque su https://mega.co.nz puoi farti un account (o più di uno se hai diversi indirizzi mail) e per ogni account puoi uploadare fino a 50 GB...:medita:
 

scratera

Biker spectacularis
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Bike
...solo full...rigide...
Beh vedendo questo post ... direi che sono io a non capire :omertà: .... questo è molto più di quello che chiedevo!!
Ora il grosso problema è che da quello che ho capito, non è una cosa facile da fare, quindi da dove posso iniziare?

Grazie Scratera per l'infinita pazienza
...la cosa più difficile da fare è procurarsi una mappa con i dati dem...in linea di max, ma non ho provato, dovrebbe bastare la mappa base contenuta nei garmin...ma siccome non mi sembrava dettagliata ho cercato altrove e ho trovato la gmapdem che risulta contenuta nella nuova serie nuvi e che copre la sola europa...oltre non mi serviva...e la puoi trovare o nella mia firma all'interno delle mie considerazioni sul 62s ma

Ma devo crearmi un account Microsoft per entrare e scaricare?
...purtroppo si sono troppo pesanti in confronto al resto...e non saprei dove caricarle....:fantasm:

...e allora potete vedere se questo funziona frugando nella mia firma
...e già usandola così come si scarica e messa in una chiavetta e visualizzata in basecamp otteniamo questo



...che per la maggior parte delle situazioni potrebbe essere abbastanza
...ma se vogliamo importarle in basecamp allora dobbiamo scompattare il file gmapdem.img usando gmaptool che fa tutto il lavoro per noi e scompone la mappa per poterla inserire così nuda e cruda in basecamp...se non erro crea anche le chiavi di registro...
...se poi vogliamo unire i dem ad una mappa io uso mapsetoolkit che richiede anche l'installazione di gmaptool e indicare al programma dove si trova e consiglio anche di installare cgpsmapper nella sua forma free e configurarlo in mapsetoolkit
...ed ora arriva la parte più noiosa in quanto si devei nstallare la mappa manualmente...creando una cartella dove mapsetoolkit metterà tutti i file...importando tutti i file nella finestra di dialogo a sx file che preleviamo nelle rispettive cartelle in cui abbiamo le openmtbmap e i file.img della mappa dem decompilata



...e quindi importandoli in quella di dx
....indicare dove si trova la cartella in cui inserire i file.img che andremo a creare della nuova mappa
...inserire il nome che deve prendere la mappa
...inserire un numero id mappa che sia diverso da quelle già installate e lo possiamo verificare nella finestra di dx dove vediamo tutte le nostre mappe installate
...indicare che tipo di file typ usare di quelli presenti nella cartella delle openmtbmap in questo caso...
...fleggare install in mapsource e lanciare il programma
...e il gioco è fatto

...per caricare una nuova mappa consiglio di disinstallare la mappa vecchia e ripetere le operazioni....:il-saggi:
...
 
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skipper51

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Sto riuscendo finalmente a scaricare il DEM....ho dovuto creare un nuovo account e dare un indirizzo mail diverso perchè non c'era verso di cambiare la password che non mi ricordavo....adesso scratera vedo di divertirmi con il 3d.
Grazie

P.S. Per disinstallare una vecchia mappa, posso farlo con mapsettoolkit (mi sembra che windows non veda le mappe come software installato...)?
 

rostnt

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Meldola
...la cosa più difficile da fare è procurarsi una mappa con i dati dem...in linea di max, ma non ho provato, dovrebbe bastare la mappa base contenuta nei garmin...ma siccome non mi sembrava dettagliata ho cercato altrove e ho trovato la gmapdem che risulta contenuta nella nuova serie nuvi e che copre la sola europa...oltre non mi serviva...e la puoi trovare o nella mia firma all'interno delle mie considerazioni sul 62s ma






...e allora potete vedere se questo funziona http://www.share-byte.net/7wqWkE[url]http://www.share-byte.net/7wqWkE[/URL]
...e già usandola così come si scarica e messa in una chiavetta e visualizzata in basecamp otteniamo questo



...che per la maggior parte delle situazioni potrebbe essere abbastanza
...ma se vogliamo importarle in basecamp allora dobbiamo scompattare il file gmapdem.img usando gmaptool che fa tutto il lavoro per noi e scompone la mappa per poterla inserire così nuda e cruda in basecamp...se non erro crea anche le chiavi di registro...
...se poi vogliamo unire i dem ad una mappa io uso mapsetoolkit che richiede anche l'installazione di gmaptool e indicare al programma dove si trova e consiglio anche di installare cgpsmapper nella sua forma free e configurarlo in mapsetoolkit
...ed ora arriva la parte più noiosa in quanto si devei nstallare la mappa manualmente...creando una cartella dove mapsetoolkit metterà tutti i file...importando tutti i file nella finestra di dialogo a sx file che preleviamo nelle rispettive cartelle in cui abbiamo le openmtbmap e i file.img della mappa dem decompilata



...e quindi importandoli in quella di dx
....indicare dove si trova la cartella in cui inserire i file.img che andremo a creare della nuova mappa
...inserire il nome che deve prendere la mappa
...inserire un numero id mappa che sia diverso da quelle già installate e lo possiamo verificare nella finestra di dx dove vediamo tutte le nostre appe installate
...indicare che tipo di file typ usare di quelli presenti nella cartella delle openmtbmap in questo caso...
...fleggare install in mapsource e lanciare il programma
...e il gioco è fatto

...per caricare una nuova mappa consiglio di disinstallare la mappa vecchia e ripetere le operazioni....:il-saggi:
...
Grazie infinite Scratera .... io avevo chiesto un semplice sfondo e tu mi hai dato la possibilità di creare mappe 3D fantastiche, poi con le tue indicazione è stato veramente semplice. Pensa che quello che ho fatto oggi lo avevo chiesto 2 anni fa in un forum specifico sulla cartografia e mi avevano risposto che era fantascienza :D :D
 

scratera

Biker spectacularis
30/6/07
24.649
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rovereto TN
Bike
...solo full...rigide...
Grazie infinite Scratera .... io avevo chiesto un semplice sfondo e tu mi hai dato la possibilità di creare mappe 3D fantastiche, poi con le tue indicazione è stato veramente semplice. Pensa che quello che ho fatto oggi lo avevo chiesto 2 anni fa in un forum specifico sulla cartografia e mi avevano risposto che era fantascienza :D :D
...due anni fa basecamp non era in grado di fare cose che ora riesce a gestire...come ad esempio leggere le mappe su memorie esterne o leggere le custom map e le mappe.jnx....:cucù:
 

skipper51

Biker superis
5/5/12
405
5
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Nuoro
Vorrei sapere se qualcuno si trova su Basecamp disattivata la modalità 3D...a me succede questo sia da menù "Visualizza" che da pulsanti.
Non è un problema del mio PC perchè con compegps il 3D (con il DEM di compegps) funziona in modo spettacolare come potete vedere qui: